Since we were talking about which houses to look at for this divination, I thought I would message magister_geomantiae to look for his opinion (Quin, I hope this is OK, since my perception is that you were making this post open, and I hope I didn't misunderstand you either!). One topic took to another, and I thought I would share what he said here, in case anybody is interested: Here it goes...
-- MANUEL: Quick question Magister, if I may: If the query is: Have any of my divinations been tampered with by outside forces?, Would we look for perfection between the Querent (House I) and House XII (hidden enemies) or between House IX (divinations) and House XII? (For context of the query, see tunesmyth page: https://tunesmyth.dreamwidth.org/) Many thanks!
MAGISTER: Manuel, good morning, I am having difficulty understanding the question. What kind of outside forces? And how would those forces be tampering with divination? The main force of our art comes from the planets, which are essentially the nerve centers of the Mother of All Living. The power of the planetary nerve centers are mirrored in the geomancer's own interior planetary centers, and our own interior planetary centers govern the course of our thoughts and the movements of our bodies, including our hands. So, if there were theoretically going to be interference, it could *NOT* be between the external planets and our internal planets. To postulate that would be to suggest that the Mirror of Nature (or the Chain of Fate) could be broken (the link between as above, so below; as below so above), and that is not possible (FN1). So, it must be that people are thinking that the interference is between the interior planets and the individual diviner's hands? And the idea is that there is an outside force that is interfering with individuals in a gross/collective sense, not by focusing on individual diviners? An outside force is casting a spell (or something) and saying, "let all divinations on COVID speak falsely"?
MAN: Firstly, I must say this not my query, but tunesmith's. My understanding is that what he means by outside forces is maybe demonic entities or people using magical means to interfere/affect the divination, so the result they want appears in place of the true result of the divination. He might suspect something like that could be happening regarding divinations about the nature of the covid vaccine, because all the ones he has seen have been positive, and he might wonder whether someone is trying to magically override any negative queries in order to convince people to get vaccinated. At any rate, there're two questions raised by this:
1. Is it possible to magically interfere with somebody else's divination? 2. If we were enquirying about this, would be use House I (Querent) or House IX (Divinations)?
MAG:
>> 1. Is it possible to magically interfere with somebody else's divination?
Yes, it is possible to break the link between the the diviner's inner planets and his mind and hands. I'm pretty sure I could do it, myself. But, I would have to levy my work at a specific individual at the time he was doing the divination. If I wanted to break the link for a longer period of time, I would have to use some kind of curse on the person. Demonic entities would not have the power to collectively ruin the divinations on a certain topic, and evil magicians don't have that kind of power, either. Hence my questions attempting to clarify this. My impression is that, wherever this whole topic originated, the person does not understand how cosmological reality works.
If a specific individual thinks his divinatory power has been tampered with, then (a) someone must be monitoring him closely for the times that he attempts divination in order to destroy the divinatory link between the inner planets and his mind and hands at that specific time; or (b) someone has cursed him and destroyed the divinatory link for a longer period. If it is (b), the divinatory link between the inner planets and his mind and hands will be severed for all questions, not just questions on a specific topic.
> 2. If we were enquirying about this, would be use House I (Querent) or > House IX (Divinations)
I would assign HOUSE 12 to the secret enemy, HOUSE 4 to the secret enemy's magical works, and HOUSE 9 to my own divinatory powers and divination. I might look at HOUSE 1 for secondary testimony, too. HOUSE 12 to 9 and HOUSE 4 to 9 and HOUSE 12 to 1 would seem to be a reasonable investigation and give a clear picture.
Let me add, too, that the interference is possible only if the divinatory method requires some connection between the inner planets and the diviner's body motion. That would include geomancy, tarot, runes, etc. It would *NOT* include horary astrology. The planets' influence on Earth NEVER stops. The Great Mirror of Nature will NEVER be broken until the Earth is destroyed. I might be able to curse someone's reasoning powers and judgment (to the extent they are actually present; they often are not present), and make a horary chart difficult for him to read, but another astrologer would read it easily.
[FN1] Breaking the Mirror of Nature or the Chain of Fate is, in fact, possible. But this is a very high alchemical work. A dark brotherhood of humans, for instance, could not do it. A single Master may effectuate it for good reason, though. An instance of this is Annie Besant. Her nativity was published at a time when astrologers still routinely calculated the date of death. And many knew when Annie Besant was fated to die. But the day came and went, and so did the month, and the year. There was so much buzz about it that Annie had to make a public statement that her Master had elongated her life so that she could finish a certain task. When that task was done, she would go.
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Date: 2021-06-04 08:02 pm (UTC)--
MANUEL:
Quick question Magister, if I may: If the query is: Have any of my divinations been tampered with by outside forces?, Would we look for perfection between the Querent (House I) and House XII (hidden enemies) or between House IX (divinations) and House XII? (For context of the query, see tunesmyth page: https://tunesmyth.dreamwidth.org/) Many thanks!
MAGISTER:
Manuel, good morning,
I am having difficulty understanding the question. What kind of outside forces? And how would those forces be tampering with divination? The main force of our art comes from the planets, which are essentially the nerve centers of the Mother of All Living. The power of the planetary nerve centers are mirrored in the geomancer's own interior planetary centers, and our own interior planetary centers govern the course of our thoughts and the movements of our bodies, including our hands. So, if there were theoretically going to be interference, it could *NOT* be between the external planets and our internal planets. To postulate that would be to suggest that the Mirror of Nature (or the Chain of Fate) could be broken (the link between as above, so below; as below so above), and that is not possible (FN1). So, it must be that people are thinking that the interference is between the interior planets and the individual diviner's hands? And the idea is that there is an outside force that is interfering with individuals in a gross/collective sense, not by focusing on individual diviners? An outside force is casting a spell (or something) and saying, "let all divinations on COVID speak falsely"?
MAN:
Firstly, I must say this not my query, but tunesmith's. My understanding is that what he means by outside forces is maybe demonic entities or people using magical means to interfere/affect the divination, so the result they want appears in place of the true result of the divination. He might suspect something like that could be happening regarding divinations about the nature of the covid vaccine, because all the ones he has seen have been positive, and he might wonder whether someone is trying to magically override any negative queries in order to convince people to get vaccinated. At any rate, there're two questions raised by this:
1. Is it possible to magically interfere with somebody else's divination?
2. If we were enquirying about this, would be use House I (Querent) or House IX (Divinations)?
MAG:
>> 1. Is it possible to magically interfere with somebody else's divination?
Yes, it is possible to break the link between the the diviner's inner planets and his mind and hands. I'm pretty sure I could do it, myself. But, I would have to levy my work at a specific individual at the time he was doing the divination. If I wanted to break the link for a longer period of time, I would have to use some kind of curse on the person. Demonic entities would not have the power to collectively ruin the divinations on a certain topic, and evil magicians don't have that kind of power, either. Hence my questions attempting to clarify this. My impression is that, wherever this whole topic originated, the person does not understand how cosmological reality works.
If a specific individual thinks his divinatory power has been tampered with, then (a) someone must be monitoring him closely for the times that he attempts divination in order to destroy the divinatory link between the inner planets and his mind and hands at that specific time; or (b) someone has cursed him and destroyed the divinatory link for a longer period. If it is (b), the divinatory link between the inner planets and his mind and hands will be severed for all questions, not just questions on a specific topic.
> 2. If we were enquirying about this, would be use House I (Querent) or
> House IX (Divinations)
I would assign HOUSE 12 to the secret enemy, HOUSE 4 to the secret enemy's magical works, and HOUSE 9 to my own divinatory powers and divination. I might look at HOUSE 1 for secondary testimony, too. HOUSE 12 to 9 and HOUSE 4 to 9 and HOUSE 12 to 1 would seem to be a reasonable investigation and give a clear picture.
Let me add, too, that the interference is possible only if the divinatory method requires some connection between the inner planets and the diviner's body motion. That would include geomancy, tarot, runes, etc. It would *NOT* include horary astrology. The planets' influence on Earth NEVER stops. The Great Mirror of Nature will NEVER be broken until the Earth is destroyed. I might be able to curse someone's reasoning powers and judgment (to the extent they are actually present; they often are not present), and make a horary chart difficult for him to read, but another astrologer would read it easily.
[FN1] Breaking the Mirror of Nature or the Chain of Fate is, in fact, possible. But this is a very high alchemical work. A dark brotherhood of humans, for instance, could not do it. A single Master may effectuate it for good reason, though. An instance of this is Annie Besant. Her nativity was published at a time when astrologers still routinely calculated the date of death. And many knew when Annie Besant was fated to die. But the day came and went, and so did the month, and the year. There was so much buzz about it that Annie had to make a public statement that her Master had elongated her life so that she could finish a certain task. When that task was done, she would go.