Divination Interference
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tunesmythI am a bit concerned by the fact that all of the divinations that I’ve seen regarding the Covid-19 vaccine have been uniformly positive, including two that recently appeared in the ![[community profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/community.png)
conjunctio Geomancy discussion group. Now of course it could simply mean that all these hastily produced miracle vaccines are effective and wonderful, at least as far as their effects on the people divining about them who I've happened to hear about. Then again, when I see a comment like this one from JMG's Magic Monday, I get a little bit worried.
Whether or not there are unsavory spiritual entities at work interested in mucking with divination on this subject, apparently there is a certain class of human interested in doing so. I don't know how one would end up the kind of person so invested in one view of a situation that they would go so far as to attempt to turn other people's divinations into propaganda. "It's important to make sure the universe stays on message! It can't be trusted to give good advice to people on its own!" This kind of thinking flabbergasts me. But crazy times produce crazy people.
I suspect these issues may extend beyond the vaccine issue. I have not actually done any divinations about any Covid vaccines, as I have not been in a position to take any yet. But I note that except for possibly my very first Coronavirus divination back when it first started hitting the news, my divinations have been extremely screwy on the subject of the virus in general. (In that initial reading, I asked whether it would become a "major pandemic", which in my naivety I defined specifically as one which would go on to kill "over 10,000 people”. It was an occupation by Fortuna Major in the 8th, as I recall.)
Twice so far I have seemed in particular danger to exposure to Covid, and at those times I did geomancy readings that told me in quite strong terms that I had already contracted a highly symptomatic and contagious version of it. In neither case did this turn out to be at all true. I also inquired once as to whether my daughter, who I needed to take on a short day trip to another city, would be safe from virus infection, as my wife was worried; the result was, similarly, that my daughter would be catch the virus and become ill. I eventually decided to disregard that reading for various reasons, not the least of which was that the previous two had been so off the mark; and indeed, nothing at all came of it.
After seeing the Magic Monday comment I linked above, a pin dropped. Might there be some parties interested in tipping the scales on these questions? Either, on the one hand, toward increasing panic; or on the other, desiring to encourage what they consider "safe" behavior in order to keep the disease from spreading?
So I decided to ask, “Have any of my readings on Coronavirus/Covid-19 been tampered with by outside forces?” (Of course, there is no guarantee that this reading wouldn't be tampered with as well. I just thought it might fare better, since potential hostile magic is likely to be more focused on disrupting answers to queries about Covid, than on disrupting queries about queries.)
Immediately before the reading, I did a banishing ritual and said a prayer for clarity and for protection from meddling influence, and made an effort to become calm and focus a bit more than I usually do. Given the results that followed, I wonder if I shouldn’t make that routine my own “new normal” when it comes to divination.
I treated it as a 12th house question (hostile magic, dangers the Quesited isn't aware of). The Four Mothers were: Albus, Rubeus, Tristitia, Tristitia. Warning to non-geomancers: jargon ahead; the short answer to the question is definitely "yes".
Have any of my readings on Coronavirus/Covid-19 been tampered with by outside forces?
The court tells the story clearly: a transmission (Conjunctio) changed (Via) resulting in a state of no options (Carcer). The Querent is Albus, I suppose indicating me being an innocent party and perhaps that I was yet unsullied by infection or the like. The Quesited, the "outside forces" in the 12th house, is Puella, which I take to represent a glamour that fools the Querent. Indeed, there is perfection in the form of a Translation by Rubeus. Rubeus, here representing danger, dishonesty and lies, not only passes from between Querent-adjacent 2nd house of profit and Quesited-adjacent 11th house of help/friends, but also 6th house of health. All of these make sense, as these lies about my true state of health have also contributed to lockdown decisions which kept me away from both friends and profit (though not from other things such as family or work).
Reflecting on the chart, it seems to me that if this is the result of hostile magic, then the person/people casting the spell would likely be represented by House 7 (house of enemies/the other party). Support for this is further given by the facts that the Way of Points (showing root cause) leads by way of the 12th to the 7th house; and that, if rotating the chart from the 7th's perspective, the Rubeus force passes through enemy's 5th (fun or creation, and it should be noted thatmagister_geomantiae's tradition places magical workings here), enemy's 8th (house of spirits, and the traditional placement for magical workings that ecosophia JMG lists in The Art and Practice of Geomancy), and enemy's 12th (which suggests to me the magical blowback the magic user has lying in store-- for one thing, to also become victim to lies).
By the way, I should clarify that it seems even possible to me that the "magical working" indicated by this reading may not have literally been an act of ritual magic-- for instance it could be simply the result of the amassed desires of the egregore of everyone who thinks that others should be more scared and cautious in their behavior during the pandemic. That said, given that Magic Monday comment and the tenor of the times, it seems likely that at least some parties involved really have been working magic, though I have no idea how many there are, their skill level, or whether there are multiple parties doing so with conflicting agendas. Best to assume the worst in all cases, I guess.
Atconjunctio we have discussed how in Geomancy, hot button issues seem particularly prone to wonky divination results. This made particular sense when it comes to various people's third party questions like whether the Three Gorges Dam is about to burst or whether JFK Jr is still alive, where our Querents had no actual connection to the Quesited. In fact, I have heard the view recently that in such cases, perfection between Querent and Quesited doesn't actually have any bearing on the answer (though other factors may be weighed and considered)-- a position that makes logical sense to me. But, from my reading today, I have learned that even in questions directly involving the Querent, when it comes to hot button issues, wonky and inaccurate results are still a major danger.
I would like to put out a request. Would anyone who has previously divined as to the effectiveness of the vaccine for themselves be willing to ask a similar question to what I asked above, and share the results here? For example: “Were my divinations regarding the vaccine tampered with by outside forces?” If you do so, I recommend that you, too, take more efforts than you usually would to cleanse, banish, pray, and/or enter a meditative state before your reading.
conjunctio Geomancy discussion group. Now of course it could simply mean that all these hastily produced miracle vaccines are effective and wonderful, at least as far as their effects on the people divining about them who I've happened to hear about. Then again, when I see a comment like this one from JMG's Magic Monday, I get a little bit worried.Whether or not there are unsavory spiritual entities at work interested in mucking with divination on this subject, apparently there is a certain class of human interested in doing so. I don't know how one would end up the kind of person so invested in one view of a situation that they would go so far as to attempt to turn other people's divinations into propaganda. "It's important to make sure the universe stays on message! It can't be trusted to give good advice to people on its own!" This kind of thinking flabbergasts me. But crazy times produce crazy people.
I suspect these issues may extend beyond the vaccine issue. I have not actually done any divinations about any Covid vaccines, as I have not been in a position to take any yet. But I note that except for possibly my very first Coronavirus divination back when it first started hitting the news, my divinations have been extremely screwy on the subject of the virus in general. (In that initial reading, I asked whether it would become a "major pandemic", which in my naivety I defined specifically as one which would go on to kill "over 10,000 people”. It was an occupation by Fortuna Major in the 8th, as I recall.)
Twice so far I have seemed in particular danger to exposure to Covid, and at those times I did geomancy readings that told me in quite strong terms that I had already contracted a highly symptomatic and contagious version of it. In neither case did this turn out to be at all true. I also inquired once as to whether my daughter, who I needed to take on a short day trip to another city, would be safe from virus infection, as my wife was worried; the result was, similarly, that my daughter would be catch the virus and become ill. I eventually decided to disregard that reading for various reasons, not the least of which was that the previous two had been so off the mark; and indeed, nothing at all came of it.
After seeing the Magic Monday comment I linked above, a pin dropped. Might there be some parties interested in tipping the scales on these questions? Either, on the one hand, toward increasing panic; or on the other, desiring to encourage what they consider "safe" behavior in order to keep the disease from spreading?
So I decided to ask, “Have any of my readings on Coronavirus/Covid-19 been tampered with by outside forces?” (Of course, there is no guarantee that this reading wouldn't be tampered with as well. I just thought it might fare better, since potential hostile magic is likely to be more focused on disrupting answers to queries about Covid, than on disrupting queries about queries.)
Immediately before the reading, I did a banishing ritual and said a prayer for clarity and for protection from meddling influence, and made an effort to become calm and focus a bit more than I usually do. Given the results that followed, I wonder if I shouldn’t make that routine my own “new normal” when it comes to divination.
I treated it as a 12th house question (hostile magic, dangers the Quesited isn't aware of). The Four Mothers were: Albus, Rubeus, Tristitia, Tristitia. Warning to non-geomancers: jargon ahead; the short answer to the question is definitely "yes".
Have any of my readings on Coronavirus/Covid-19 been tampered with by outside forces?
The court tells the story clearly: a transmission (Conjunctio) changed (Via) resulting in a state of no options (Carcer). The Querent is Albus, I suppose indicating me being an innocent party and perhaps that I was yet unsullied by infection or the like. The Quesited, the "outside forces" in the 12th house, is Puella, which I take to represent a glamour that fools the Querent. Indeed, there is perfection in the form of a Translation by Rubeus. Rubeus, here representing danger, dishonesty and lies, not only passes from between Querent-adjacent 2nd house of profit and Quesited-adjacent 11th house of help/friends, but also 6th house of health. All of these make sense, as these lies about my true state of health have also contributed to lockdown decisions which kept me away from both friends and profit (though not from other things such as family or work).
Reflecting on the chart, it seems to me that if this is the result of hostile magic, then the person/people casting the spell would likely be represented by House 7 (house of enemies/the other party). Support for this is further given by the facts that the Way of Points (showing root cause) leads by way of the 12th to the 7th house; and that, if rotating the chart from the 7th's perspective, the Rubeus force passes through enemy's 5th (fun or creation, and it should be noted that
magister_geomantiae's tradition places magical workings here), enemy's 8th (house of spirits, and the traditional placement for magical workings that ecosophia JMG lists in The Art and Practice of Geomancy), and enemy's 12th (which suggests to me the magical blowback the magic user has lying in store-- for one thing, to also become victim to lies).By the way, I should clarify that it seems even possible to me that the "magical working" indicated by this reading may not have literally been an act of ritual magic-- for instance it could be simply the result of the amassed desires of the egregore of everyone who thinks that others should be more scared and cautious in their behavior during the pandemic. That said, given that Magic Monday comment and the tenor of the times, it seems likely that at least some parties involved really have been working magic, though I have no idea how many there are, their skill level, or whether there are multiple parties doing so with conflicting agendas. Best to assume the worst in all cases, I guess.
At
conjunctio we have discussed how in Geomancy, hot button issues seem particularly prone to wonky divination results. This made particular sense when it comes to various people's third party questions like whether the Three Gorges Dam is about to burst or whether JFK Jr is still alive, where our Querents had no actual connection to the Quesited. In fact, I have heard the view recently that in such cases, perfection between Querent and Quesited doesn't actually have any bearing on the answer (though other factors may be weighed and considered)-- a position that makes logical sense to me. But, from my reading today, I have learned that even in questions directly involving the Querent, when it comes to hot button issues, wonky and inaccurate results are still a major danger.I would like to put out a request. Would anyone who has previously divined as to the effectiveness of the vaccine for themselves be willing to ask a similar question to what I asked above, and share the results here? For example: “Were my divinations regarding the vaccine tampered with by outside forces?” If you do so, I recommend that you, too, take more efforts than you usually would to cleanse, banish, pray, and/or enter a meditative state before your reading.
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Date: 2021-06-09 07:00 am (UTC)This is a slightly different question--And the question asked is critically important, since the answers we get are often literal answers to the question asked, but not always what we really want to know, or need to know about.
Before the casting, I specified;
House Chart
Querent I
Quesited XII - Secret Enemy
My own powers of divination IX
Secret Enemy's magic workings
The 4 Mothers were Caput Draconis, Caput Draconis, Tristitia, Acquisitio
Here's the chart:
I and XII - Me and my Hidden Enemie(s);
Add Caput Drac and Fortuna Major together, and you get Rubeus. No real surprise there!
There is Company Capitular, but nothing that strongly confirms interference from a hidden enemy.
Fortuna Major could be telling me that I _have_ a hidden enemy. Hmmm.
Caput Drac travels to II, where it is sextile to XII, Favorable aspect, but a weak one. Could mean that my hidden enemy is generally against me and the things that I am doing, but maybe not specifically against my COVID divinations.
XII and IX - My Hidden Enemie(s) vs. My Divinations on COVID
Company Capitular again.
My magic is flowing/ going with the flow of Populus. Populus travels to V, and I notice that Puer neighbors V and neighbors XII. A hidden enemy takes a sword to my messages perhaps?
IX and IV - My Hidden Enemie(s) Workings vs. My Divinations on COVID
Company Capitular again.
Populus travels to V, so we have conjunction. Grasping of Acquisitio vs. Flow of Populus. Maybe temporary interference, but the river wins in the long run.
The court is kind of a downer, with Rubeus as Witness 1, Amissio as Judge, and Cauda Draconis as Witness 2, Drama/intrigue that, at the ending, leads to loss/ letting go. This seems consistent with Violet's opinion that the maelstrom of controversy interferes generally with the usefulness of divinations on COVID questions.
My own take-home on this one-- Apparently, I have a hidden enemy. Perhaps I will look into that next....
PS--Housekeeping note:
I have had real trouble putting a chart into a reply--
What seems to work for me is inserting the generated chart image into this bit of obscure code-- add a < to the left end and a > to the right end, and you will have it. The image link goes between the quotation marks in the middle;
img src="https://amissio.net/gen/house/ee/8a.svg" alt="" /
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Date: 2021-06-09 05:07 pm (UTC)Well, only in the sense that you were asking this 12th house question about any outside forces out to create disinformation in your divinations. I wouldn't assume it to be a personal relationship unless there were indications to that effect in the chart, which I don't personally see; the impersonal forces we've already discussed upthread would already qualify plenty. In fact, I would assume Fortuna Major in the "secret enemy" position, unless it opposes or squares some figure important to you (which it does not), to take the teeth out of House 12's bite. In fact, the figure directly opposing you is, quite pointedly, Major's dying counterpart Minor, a much weaker opponent!
You're seeing a Translation via Populus in Puer that I don't believe should count. Once a figure passes somewhere else, in my understanding you can't also look for translating figures in the new location. I believe that XII does not meet your IX.
Remember, the court is only commenting on the question at hand in most cases. My own read on it is not so bad: you're coming from a place of not thinking clearly; you encounter something that ends that mode of thinking; you lose the knowledge you thought you had from some previous charts. But Reconciler Puer suggests taking the message and moving forward with some kind of directed action.
Incidentally, this chart happens to give exactly the same Yeses and Noes that Hwistle and I both got: all three charts have perfection between 12-1 and 4-9, but not 12-9! Isn't that interesting. I believe this is starting to shape up to be what might be considered evidence that these readings are seeing the same things from different angles.
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Date: 2021-06-10 06:32 am (UTC)--Very interesting!
I'll have to look into multiple significators more-- plainly I don't have the hang of it yet, but the court saying 'no' does seem to answer the question. Forgot about Puer-- Will look into taking action.
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Date: 2021-06-10 09:19 am (UTC)